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Post by TheGuitahHeroe on Nov 27, 2011 21:36:04 GMT -5
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Post by Maestro Triplet (Larx) on Nov 27, 2011 22:15:28 GMT -5
Yay! Someone decided to hop on the piano wagon :>>>>>>>> Sounds good!
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Post by TheGuitahHeroe on Nov 27, 2011 22:37:10 GMT -5
Larx....no matter what genre or type of music that I make with whatever tempo ever... Your avatar STILL matches the music NO MATTER WHAT Thanks
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Post by OverpoweredSocks on Nov 27, 2011 23:05:30 GMT -5
iz gud u shud make mre music
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Post by TheGuitahHeroe on Nov 28, 2011 13:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by ohaiduhg on Nov 28, 2011 18:02:21 GMT -5
This sounds like wandering around to me. It gets busy then less busy. I don't know if I would call it progress. It doesn't really have any element of predictability. There isn't a balance between predictability and surprise. It doesn't sound like you built it from, "Okay, I have a form and an arch I will go for. It will cadence like this and here I will put in a surpise, etc." It sounds like "I like this chord... I'm gonna put this chord after this chord. I don't know much about impressionism or how to do it right. I just like this chord and this chord, then maybe put in this chord. Oh diminished sounds good, can't go wrong with that. Now it's going to get louder then softer again."
In short, it's nothing I can hold on to. Suddenly you do this suddenly you do that.
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Post by Maestro Triplet (Larx) on Nov 28, 2011 18:34:40 GMT -5
This sounds like wandering around to me. It gets busy then less busy. I don't know if I would call it progress. It doesn't really have any element of predictability. There isn't a balance between predictability and surprise. It doesn't sound like you built it from, "Okay, I have a form and an arch I will go for. It will cadence like this and here I will put in a surpise, etc." It sounds like "I like this chord... I'm gonna put this chord after this chord. I don't know much about impressionism or how to do it right. I just like this chord and this chord, then maybe put in this chord. Oh diminished sounds good, can't go wrong with that. Now it's going to get louder then softer again." In short, it's nothing I can hold on to. Suddenly you do this suddenly you do that. Okay, I know everyone has the right to an opinion, and everyone should be entitled to their own, but it seems as if any composition that isn't in tune with anything you've learned, you don't like at all, and in all honestly, music theory isn't something that's needed to make a great composition, and I don't know. I'm still trying to figure this out, but you're the only music major I know that dislikes a composition because it doesn't use music theory. I can show this composition to a number of music majors I know, and they'll love it. Let me develop an example for you. lol Let's take my "Waltz Op.1 No.1" piano composition. You gave an array of suggestions to make the composition 'better.' According to a music major at Eastern Washington University, the piece sounds great as it is without the suggestions of theory. Of course he also did state that your critique was valid, although the suggestions of tritones was your opinion, and a completely debatable topic. Long story short... I don't know, but yeah... I'm done here, and sorry for the long reply, TGH. :V
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Post by ohaiduhg on Nov 28, 2011 19:23:39 GMT -5
Learn it. Then, try and argue.
At any rate, I was giving an honest substantial review.
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Post by Maestro Triplet (Larx) on Nov 28, 2011 20:08:40 GMT -5
Learn it. Then, try and argue. At any rate, I was giving an honest substantial review. I want you to note how I didn't disagree with your review. I want you to also keep in mind that I wasn't arguing; I was merely stating my opinion, and by the way, music theory isn't something I need to put my opinion out there... this one in specific, and like I said, you are the only music major I know that dislikes almost every composition put out by someone on this website, (Of course you don't have to like every composition, and not everyone can be pleased all of the time) and I honestly don't know what your problem is. I'm sorry if this comes out wrong... rudeness is not my intent, but honestly, you're almost like a snobby musician who feels he's superior to everyone else. lol Again, rudeness is not my intent.
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Post by TheGuitahHeroe on Nov 28, 2011 20:24:47 GMT -5
...Doug, what the hell are you doing on this forum?
Seriously, if you're that pent up that you can't enjoy anybody's music on this forum, what enjoyment do you take from being here?
You should look into joining a forum where people actually make good music from good musicians who aren't total rubbish.
Go join a forum where everybody else is a total ***hole about formalized theory, and is so closed-minded and analytic to the point where they can't enjoy a single song if it doesn't appeal to their own standards.
Go somewhere where you're not the minority, and where you'll actually enjoy the music there.
You can't be enjoying yourself here.
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Post by almightyarceus on Nov 28, 2011 20:39:46 GMT -5
This sounds like wandering around to me. It gets busy then less busy. I don't know if I would call it progress. It doesn't really have any element of predictability. There isn't a balance between predictability and surprise. It doesn't sound like you built it from, "Okay, I have a form and an arch I will go for. It will cadence like this and here I will put in a surpise, etc." It sounds like "I like this chord... I'm gonna put this chord after this chord. I don't know much about impressionism or how to do it right. I just like this chord and this chord, then maybe put in this chord. Oh diminished sounds good, can't go wrong with that. Now it's going to get louder then softer again." In short, it's nothing I can hold on to. Suddenly you do this suddenly you do that. I personally disagree. It does progress, especially soundscape wise. It fills out chordally and on various octaves. He makes (purposeful) references to what he started with as well. I think it is a very well rounded piece.
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Post by Joe Potato on Nov 28, 2011 20:57:59 GMT -5
...Doug, what the hell are you doing on this forum? Seriously, if you're that pent up that you can't enjoy anybody's music on this forum, what enjoyment do you take from being here? You should look into joining a forum where people actually make good music from good musicians who aren't total rubbish. Go join a forum where everybody else is a total ***hole about formalized theory, and is so closed-minded and analytic to the point where they can't enjoy a single song if it doesn't appeal to their own standards. Go somewhere where you're not the minority, and where you'll actually enjoy the music there. You can't be enjoying yourself here. Dat Doug diatribe
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Post by ohaiduhg on Nov 29, 2011 1:07:55 GMT -5
is what I meant
oh and
To be honest, I'm here, because I thought being in a small forum would be nice. I don't really have much I do on the internet besides talk to some people on skype/msn. "O hey cool pokemon fan themes I thought I was the only one. This could be really cool."
Now, I don't get this. This is a forum where [mostly] everyone is a "musician" but no one knows anything about music theory. Whenever I bring up an actual musical discussion I get called a closed minded elitist by a bunch of people who have never learned theory. I don't know if I should try and help you understand theory or get angry for how stupid your replies are. I do like discussing theory and I thought "Maybe people who claim to be composers and don't know anything but how to enter notes would like to understand how it works" I get insulted and then nobody cares. It's so backwards. I'm not trying to be elitist. It's more like assumed you would know what I'm talking about. It's weird and confusing.
Then again, this is the internet. If, really, no one cares about trying to be a musician here, then, I'll just stop replying, because it's a lost cause. Maybe not everyone has replied like you, but the fact that nobody cares to take my side and agree with me makes me guess they are siding with you.
The theory thread still needs renovation, but that's still there so try at least looking at it if you don't know what has been put in it. (That's really being closed minded to reject theory as an unnecessary novelty when you don't know it) I did put a lot of effort into that (just for this forum) so this forum could have some sort of guide to theory despite everyone not being able to go to college or afford the books or know where to start.
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Post by TheGuitahHeroe on Nov 29, 2011 2:38:58 GMT -5
So you're calling us all non-musicians because of our lack of knowledge (and interest) of theory, that's really not elitist at all
All I can say in reply is this. If I'm such a terrible musici---ahem, excuse me, note-enterer---tell me why so many people like my music. Is EVERYBODY deaf or what?
2 reasons.
1. Because music has changed since the some 400 years ago when classical theory has developed. It's been modified drastically. What you call the "destruction" of music I call "creative destruction." Music isn't dead. It's just different, whether you, personally, like it or not.
2. Music is 100% SUBJECTIVE. Music doesn't have to follow rules for other people to like it. If I make a piece of music which people can enjoy, regardless of whether it's an emotional piece or just something fun to listen to, I feel I've done my frickin' job. On a related note, a song can follow music theory religiously, and still sound like a piece of sh**.
I lol at your insistence that none of us are 'musicians.' Is your definition of 'musician' really ONLY somebody who strictly follows music theory to make songs? Seriously? That's pretty bull****.
We have three remixers here on the forum who are on OCRemix. Is OCRemix full of "note-enterers" too?
I think it's really great what you've done on the forum to try and help people learn music theory. Some people have shown interest, and that's great. But to each his own. I'm having fun composing music and remixes the way I am right now, and (not to sound like a braggart) my recent rise in popularity on the internet is a testament to how this method has worked for me personally. I don't care if you don't like my music.
And I don't care what you say.
I am a musician.
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Post by JC on Nov 29, 2011 3:06:25 GMT -5
The thing is, music changes with every era, classical is yesteryear's news, it's still performed today, this "mutilation" as people call it, is music.
Music in ANY FORM, is still music.
if you look at things at a different perspective.
Closed minded, people might call you IF you don't understand this yourself, if time changes, music can too.
think about it, there are musical styles, art styles, and life styles, all are different, no two are the same, they can be similar, but they cannot be the same.
Musicians are people who other people RECOGNIZE them as such, not a college degree. However, people are denying others to FREELY express themselves, is something that shouldn't be done, even if it's "mutilation" of music.
what I think is, that old and preset likes to clash with each other. but think about this, if the classical era was to meet up an older era, say like ancient kingdoms, they would call the classical era a mutilation of music as well.
The times change, with them, music, art, and life.
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