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Post by Touyato (Chao) on Apr 11, 2011 21:10:34 GMT -5
Surprisingly, I didn't see one of these already, so I thought I'd start it up. Everyone, do you think a RSE, or possibly another RBY remake pair are in the works for Gen 5? If so, why? I personally am not expecting either, and with good reason too. 1. Each remake pair has been (intentionally?) released on it's 10th anniversary year, with FireRed and LeafGreen in 05, and HeartGold and SoulSilver in 09/10. Neither RSE's 10th anniversary or RBY's 20th anniversary are approaching within the expected life time of Gen 5, even if the third version comes out this year or next and leaves a period of silence/dominated by Mystery Dungeon and Ranger sequels. 2. Despite the furthering of technology, it is completely unnecessary; all of Hoenn's Pokemon (as well as Kanto's 151) can be caught between the 5 Gen IV games and transfered via Pokeshifter, or caught directly in the Gen V games themselves post storyline. And even still, if you own an archaic Phat DS or DS Lite, you can still use the Pal Park feature in Platinum and HG/SS to complete your library by transferring your Pokemon directly from Gen III itself. The other two remakes have occurred as a need to replenish the supply for certain Pokemon in their respective generations. 3. RSE don't show their age as much compared to the newer titles. Asthetically, Emerald could be considered up-to-par design wise with the rest of the series, though the character designs still exhibit some form of the older generation's style within them (particularly Brendan/May) The only major graphical improvement the game would see aside from higher resolution and fluidly animated graphics is Hoenn rendered in a 3D environment, which is the only region not rendered in 3D thus far. 4. Neither game's "plot", without some serious modifications, could compare to the story offered by Black and White (and possibly Gray, which can only elaborate on the plot). FRLG and HGSS were comparable to their new game counterparts in this regard, and each only suffered a few minor tweaks from the original plotline to account for a couple of things. Even if Emerald was the base for the plot as far as the legendaries were concerned, it would still require a **** ton of cutscenes to be inserted and more elaborated Aqua/Magma/Steven sub plots. In otherwords, if Nintendo has a RSE remake planed, they've got their work cut out for them just to make it for kicks
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Post by pokemoneinstein on Apr 12, 2011 5:52:35 GMT -5
I really don't think any of what you said is... true.
1) February 27, 1996 to January 9, 2004 is just under 8 years. HGSS were on their 10th anniversary, but it's far from being a tradition
2) All of Johto's Pokémon were obtainable in a Gen IV game through various methods. That was one of the main arguments against a GS remake. But that eventually proved meaningless, because they got remade.
3) That's true, but what about the music? That's still GBA-like, and you can't deny that it's certainly outdated. But I do like your point of Hoenn being the only remaining region in 2D
4) That's an opinion and is completely debatable. Though If you'd like to compare, the plot in Platinum was certainly far more... "fleshed-out" than that of HGSS. The only reason the plot doesn't define DPPT like it does BW is because BW got everything else right, too, while DPPt had a pretty good plot, but everything else was very mediocre (according to general opinion, that is. Mediocrity of a game is opinionated, after all.)
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Post by Touyato (Chao) on Apr 12, 2011 7:12:11 GMT -5
1. I had forgotten FRLG's (Never bothered to research Japanese date), but I was positive HGSS /was/ indeed released on the anniversary.
2. Perhaps Nintendo thought it was a moot point too, though combined with the above HGSS could be more celebratory as opposed to FRLG's necessity reasons. HGSS certainly made obtaining Jhoto and Kanto Pokemon alot easier.
3. The Music is definitely a bit aged, given the GBA's expanded, but still (apparently) limited sound system. But again, the music doesn't show it's age as much, other than when the arrangements and samples are compared to their newer counterparts. I highly doubt Nintendo would remake a game so they could release all the main series' music in DS style, but it IS a good point. As I mentioned before, the character designs are still a bit aged as well, again particularly and especially the player characters.
4. DPPt was mediocre to me in some ways, and absolutely brilliant in others. Despite the fact that the sample quality hadn't progressed much from the GBA, the music was outstanding. The graphics, though certainly aged now thanks to those in B/W and HGSS, looked much nicer than their GBA counterparts (except Misdreavus in the initial release...god that sprite makes me sick >_<) Some people I know yack a racket about the character designs, but they're alright. But they're just alright. Compared to either generation beside it or the remake pairs, the design is probably at it's low point, other than some of the "LOL WUT" designs in the original GB games. But that's my opinion. Platinum certainly had more plot than HGSS, given the later was trying to do a minimalistic expansion of the plot of a GB game, but neither had the plot as a defining feature, so they were "comparable" in a sense that way, you'd be missing the story in HGSS, but have a much prettier, more classic game. I suppose in this gen, it would be the same case, though B/W actually touts on the plot as one of it's defining features, being unique and prominent for a main series game. (As opposed to Mystery Dungeon, which is on the completely opposite side of the spectrum) RSE would do worse comparing to BW in that regard because critics can get away with claiming "THE PLOT WAS BARE BONES COMPARED TO BW" and make RSE sell only to devout Pokemon fans.
If a RSE remake DOES materialize, I'll be all eyes (and ears) for it. There's evidence for it, but that doesn't mean it will happen. I at least don't think it will happen before the third version or some other big announcement.
On a side note, do you think Looker's dialogue suggests N would appear in these remakes? I certainly think it does, and the more merrier if they actually show up.
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Post by Dark on Apr 12, 2011 20:41:50 GMT -5
I don't know if this was mentioned but in the desert, there's some backpacker that mentions Hoenn and how he doesn't require GoGoggles (sp?) for the sandstorm here. Nintendo likes to drop hints like this within their games - much like they did with Jasmine in Diamond and Pearl.
I do agree with the anniversary though. In Japan, they were released on November 21, 2002 - which means we might be getting word of them within the end of this year. Thus, the third game of Black and White would be released after that.
Just speculating though.
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Post by WherewolfTherewolf on Apr 12, 2011 20:54:38 GMT -5
"3. The Music is definitely a bit aged, given the GBA's expanded, but still (apparently) limited sound system. But again, the music doesn't show it's age as much, other than when the arrangements and samples are compared to their newer counterparts."
I pre-mourne the second one of the soundtracks I actually really like hits the horrendous new instrument sounds.
"and make RSE sell only to devout Pokemon fans. "
You doubt the dedication of young gamers, who will buy anything, and I mean anything, with the pokemon logo on it. There's a lot of money to be made in a remake of RSE, and well they haven't done it yet so to avoid triplication they most likely will. They normally release them in between the other new games, and seeing as Black and White has just been released, give it a year or two and it'll most likely be about time for them to start remaking one of their old games again. Personally I find Emerald to be the best game in the series as a whole (haven't played Black and White yet, but if they did anything building off what Diamond and Pearl did I don't expect it to trump them) so I'd love to see what they'd do, especially if they'd actually do something creative with the game and redo it from a new perspective per say (basically a return to hoen, but not the same course of events (basically another person)).
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Post by Touyato (Chao) on Apr 12, 2011 20:55:19 GMT -5
I don't know if this was mentioned but in the desert, there's some backpacker that mentions Hoenn and how he doesn't require GoGoggles (sp?) for the sandstorm here. Nintendo likes to drop hints like this within their games - much like they did with Jasmine in Diamond and Pearl. Interesting of you to note that. So far, evidence in cameos and mentions include this backpacker, Steven in HGSS/Platinum, and then Looker mentioning N appearing in a faraway land (assumedly Hoenn) Though Jasmine also appeared in Hoenn based games too, so I don't know if Jasmine, other than any reminiscing about Johto she had, was an indicator rather than an Easter egg (Oak and Steven also appear).
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Post by Dark on Apr 12, 2011 21:09:52 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd count Steven as one of the cameos; he may have simply been included in HGSS for the sole purpose of having all the Champions appear in one game.
Jasmine appeared in Hoenn based games? I don't recall that...
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Post by Touyato (Chao) on Apr 12, 2011 22:17:39 GMT -5
Jasmine appeared in Hoenn based games? I don't recall that... Check the audience next time you participate in a contest.
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Post by Dark on Apr 12, 2011 22:36:12 GMT -5
Jasmine appeared in Hoenn based games? I don't recall that... Check the audience next time you participate in a contest. I checked this out and apparently she does though I have no recollection of it; has it been that long? Maybe it really is time for a remake! Nevertheless, I am quite sure that if they are remade, they will be exclusive to the 3DS.
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Post by YannickJason on Apr 12, 2011 23:46:53 GMT -5
When/if they do have a remake out, of course it will be strictly for the 3DS. We don't really need another generation on the same handheld...
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Post by xtremethomas on Apr 13, 2011 0:04:47 GMT -5
I think RSE will be remade for the 3DS, but RBY will be remade on a newer system for the 25th Anniversary.
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Post by pokemoneinstein on Apr 13, 2011 6:08:53 GMT -5
Thomas, you don't really have any reason to say that. You have no argument, just a conclusion.
I've gotta go, though. I was going to type more, but I can't. I'll edit this post later XD
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Post by Maestro Triplet (Larx) on Apr 13, 2011 6:42:44 GMT -5
Thomas, you don't really have any reason to say that. You have no argument, just a conclusion. I've gotta go, though. I was going to type more, but I can't. I'll edit this post later XD Well, I don't necessarily think it's a conclusion. Just reason to belief it will, and if he has reason to believe it'll be on another handeld, then so be it. lol Unless he doesn't have reason, then everything I just said means nothing.
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Post by xtremethomas on Apr 13, 2011 14:37:06 GMT -5
Thomas, you don't really have any reason to say that. You have no argument, just a conclusion. I've gotta go, though. I was going to type more, but I can't. I'll edit this post later XD I didn't know I had to put an argument up. That is just what I believe will happen. Let's see... RSE remakes on the 3ds because it is the newest handheld and it could be tied into the 10th anniversary, but I don't believe so. Gamefreak could be making it because all the others (minus FRLG) are uptodate. Then again they might be making it for money/making people happy. RBY for next gen because it is the 25th anniversary of Pokemon. They might even go as far as to make a game including all the regions and just forgetting about the RSE and RBY remakes.
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Post by pokemoneinstein on Apr 13, 2011 16:05:46 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't see the "I think." My bad XD
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